VO Sub community

EsorcismoNJD · Post by **EsorcismoNJD** » 18-09-2006 21:08

Twig and Inph hit it on the head. The biggest problem right now is that for the most part pubs are empty. Deathball as it is now is not fun with 4 players. MAYBE in a small map, if I remember, twiggy's was jammed back in the 1.9b days mostly VO on maps like SmallCube, SmallEnclosure, and some of twiggy's creations like BlueRidge and Temple. What do most noobs want to do when they join a new game? Just jump in and do something. You want noobs to jump into a game knowing what position to play and how to play it. Not happening... I hate to say it, but look at Counter-Strike. Pubs are for people to jump in, learn the basics and fundamentals. There's no order, no major strategies, very little positional play. But once they get to pickup games and team play, the strategy comes in. VO is quick, no strats, very little positioning, just kinda that organized chaos that keeps people coming back for more. VO doesn't scare away noobs, it attracts them cause there's minimal thinking and strategy involved. Why is Deathmatch so popular? Same reason, you just jump in and start killing. Idealism is great in the right situation, but realism always works.

zupermanzito · Post by **zupermanzito** » 18-09-2006 21:31

where can i download a VO mutator?
do u guys have the link?

:-) · Post by **:-)** » 20-09-2006 03:17

When I first downloaded Deathball, VO was a big thing. Didn't appeal to me. Too much trying to see how many times you can bounce the ball off the wall without passing it and before scoring. Uninstalled in a day or two. Eventually I downloaded DB again a there was a VO server and a non VO server. I stuck to the non-vo server, and eventually grew to be the Deathballer you all know and love...

Playing VO is like a big fuck you in the face since when you have an open shot you can't take it because you have to bounce it off a wall first. I rather stick my dick in a blender tbh.

Twigstir · Post by **Twigstir** » 20-09-2006 04:43

VO is about teamwork. Who cares if your open. The question is, is your teammate open.

Ker]v[et · Post by **Ker]v[et** » 20-09-2006 08:09

rrrrrrrright.

You're infront of the enemy Goal and get two defenders behind you ( you finally managed to boost yourself free). VO. Great. No Teamplayable, Wallable.

maybe in VO your are more forced to do teamplay but some say there are players who pass b/c they want to

Who cares if your open. The question is, is your teammate open.

So if your Teammate got the ball he is forced to pass you on VO but you aint free

Post by **DavidM** » 20-09-2006 10:46

VO is a lot more about egoing than anything

Undeniable tbh.
And it requires some good teamwork to get a 1on1 with the keeper, so you can shoot it in.

In VO the keeper doesn't even need to stand on his line, hardly a need to take care of that

Twigstir · Post by **Twigstir** » 20-09-2006 20:41

If you played it, you would know. Egoing = lose. Getting open and having a one on one with the keeper is the norm. It will happen all the time. Most of the time everyone is working to get back on defense. In VO it takes two open players to greatly increase your odds of scoring.

VO is more positionless. Everyone goes forward (- keeper) and everyone comes back. Most often, keepers run out after a goal so whoever spawns keeper, is keeper. That position rotates during a match.

And yes, the keeper is a lot more active most of the time. Nothing wrong with that.

VO is a different style with a lot action that everyone gets involved in. Your going to have the ball a lot and it's your actions that score goals. Even if your not the one putting it in the back of the net.

The reason many people like it, is becuase there is lot more of your own actions to feel good about. On both ends of the field. Many people can just jump in and have fun.

Regular deathball is fun. So is VO in it's own way to many. Why soo many here want to ban deathmatch because they like team deathmatch is beyond logic. Invite them join in your fun all you want but, attacking them for playing what they like is just dumb self centeredness.

Ker]v[et · Post by **Ker]v[et** » 21-09-2006 13:31

Shinobi · Post by **Shinobi** » 21-09-2006 18:17

VO may be more ego than reg DB (I agree on this part) but it is more fun in my pov.

Orney · Post by **Orney** » 21-09-2006 21:23

1. i can tell you im a keeper for a long long time in deathball. And you need much more skill in a normal play. in VO u would just wait for a wall shot or just dodge to the open man, too easy i tested all the moves.

2. sometimes when the defense is kicked away and all the attackers wait for a pass, the ballcarrier just passed to wall and score. i just think "thx for pass ego" thats more less teamplay in first state. and the keeper was dump he left him shot to wall and score. u just have the two way: pass the "wall" or pass the "attacker" gg VO.
In a regular play you got much more moves and the keeper is acting much interesting.

have a nice day.

`Ghost` · Post by **`Ghost`** » 21-09-2006 23:16

idd, much easier for keepers, no need for defense etc. There's always going to be the argument between non VO and pro VO. I suppose its ok for pubbers to have VO, if they dont want to play VO they'll play pickups, and if pickupers dont want to play VO, they wont play pubs.

Post by **The_One** » 22-09-2006 00:23

Orney wrote: 1. i can tell you im a keeper for a long long time in deathball. And you need much more skill in a normal play. in VO u would just wait for a wall shot or just dodge to the open man, too easy i tested all the moves.

That's exactly why some people prefer VO. Can't you see that? As you said, there is less need for defence in VO because keeping is a lot easier. Most people don't like defending.

Twigstir · Post by **Twigstir** » 22-09-2006 02:11

Orney wrote: 1. i can tell you im a keeper for a long long time in deathball. And you need much more skill in a normal play. in VO u would just wait for a wall shot or just dodge to the open man, too easy i tested all the moves.

Yes, some people perfer that. Easier for the keeper and harder for the attackers.
1.) More people can play keeper (in most matches every player will spend time as keeper)
2.) Scoring is a break in play. Too much scoring can be boring. VO takes options away which challenges players and limits too much scoring from taking the action out of the game. (evens things out with bad keepers)

Orney, your good a keep and I suck. If you play keep for one team and I play keep for the other, is anyone going to have a fun match?

If it's VO, rotating positions, it wouldn't matter as much that your a good keep and I suck. The match could still be fun for everyone because things even out.

I suck soo bad at keeper that I would ruin a regular deathball match if I ever played that position (I use a joystick and can't even dodge) In VO, I can play and spend my time in keeper without ruining the match (at least most of the time)

If you can get that, then you'll have an idea why VO is popular among some players.

`Ghost` · Post by **`Ghost`** » 22-09-2006 08:36

You use a joystick? wow o:

Ok after reading the points from every one I think VO should be brought back too. Plenty of valid arguments and I guess it does make sense to bring it back.

Orney · Post by **Orney** » 22-09-2006 11:20

i dont think so.
we should'd make the game easier coz noobs wont learn more about the game. And about to much scoring is wrong again. There are many good matches in pickup we have, where the game ends with example 6:10. its just in VO for keeper it is like a another game, and this sux...
i preffer regular because i can save hard shots and get a good feeling after. a VO save is just stupid and goals the same.
its rly better to play fair but hard with noobs so they learn from faults and by looking. and u guys talk about more teamplay? ok listen that.. so when its 2vkeeper and i know its VO... what shall i do? i just dodge and kick the open man away and there will no fucking volley shot.
1. because the passer have just one move and this is passing
2. the keeper just have to look at the open man and hear the sound.
if the passer shot the wall and make ego i just say gg "teamplay" i can do this allnight long and he will pass the wall and score ego. so there is no fucking pass/teamplay.
also for keeper... it is more interesting thinking between normal shot or pass. so i have to wait until he charge the hammer, and by looking on his view i can tell where he would shoot. its really not unfair its just more action for keeper and the defence what u need!
if people say they dont like defence then i can say they are just some fucking hanger who wait for keepers save and a save pass. gg nothing doing just hang around and trying to make nice goal and get acknowledgment by hearing "nice goal" "nice shot" bla. its not the hanger or ego is imported.. its the legendary "teamplay" who pass to keeper and got a defense. try to play against David's Team and his perfect defense u wont score with your supid wall or VO. u just have to take your chance when ever you can and shoot normal. a pass + volley goal is a nice goal then. in VO is Volley nothing new just boring shit like ever.
and belive me i speak from experience.

sry for bad english