In fact, you'd better not
Oh well, at least that proves there's ignorant europeans too.
It's good to know the most powerful nation of the world doesn't have a monopoly position in that.
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Messy wrote:
Since when does Iraq have anything to do with 9/11?
Ohh wait I get it..
..no wait I don't.
The President never said there were operational ties between Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. He never said Saddam attacked us on 9/11. A lot of newspapers and politicians over here put those words in his mouth though.
Here's what he has said:
"America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof, the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."
"America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people."
"Any government that supports, protects or harbours terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent and equally guilty of terrorist crimes."
"Any outlaw regime that has ties to terrorist groups or seeks to possess weapons of mass destruction is a grave danger to the civilised world and will be confronted."
"For all who love freedom and peace, the world without Saddam Hussein's regime is a better and safer place."
"Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward, and freedom will be defended."
"On September 11 2001, America felt its vulnerability even to threats that gather on the other side of the Earth. We resolved then, and we are resolved today, to confront every threat from any source that could bring sudden terror and suffering to America."
"The resolution approved today presents the Iraqi regime with a test - a final test."
"The terrorists are fighting freedom with all their cunning and cruelty because freedom is their greatest fear - and they should be afraid, because freedom is on the march."
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
"We're pursuing a strategy of freedom around the world, because I understand free nations will reject terror. Free nations will answer the hopes and aspirations of their people. Free nations will help us achieve the peace we all want. "
And here are the kickers:
"I believe the most solemn duty of the American president is to protect the American people. If America shows uncertainty and weakness in this decade, the world will drift toward tragedy. This will not happen on my watch."
"Some have argued we should wait, and that's an option. In my view, it's the riskiest of all options, because the longer we wait, the stronger and bolder Saddam Hussein will become"
"There can be no peace if our security depends on the will and whims of a ruthless and aggressive dictator. I'm not willing to stake one American life on trusting Saddam Hussein."
So, to summarize.
#1 Defend America by getting rid of threats before they materialize. 9/11 taught us that leaving a threat alone is not an option. Defending your country and your countrymen is the primary job of any President.
#2 Saddam was a terrorist. He did not attack the US on 9/11. He did pay the families of suicide bombers. He did gas his own people. He is responsible for the rape and murder of hundreds of thousands of human beings. He is responsible for cutting off people's hands and limbs for disagreeing with him. He is responsible for maiming football players for losing a match. Given the means and opportunity, he would enslave the world. He could have cause something way worse than 9/11 and given the opportunity he would have worked with Bin Laden and Al Quaeda. Remember, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
#3 Freedom is the best path to a lasting peace.
You all know that the world is better with this asshole behind bars. Bin Laden's days are numbered.
Fooman wrote: The President never said there were operational ties between Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. He never said Saddam attacked us on 9/11.
What he did do is proclaim war to Afghanistan, start the war on terrorism and as soon as that was accepted, totally neglected Afghanistan and began randomly accusing and attacking Iraq.
Fooman wrote: "Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward, and freedom will be defended."
No, you could say the US were attacked, New York was attacked, Manhattan, the Twin Towers, or you could even name all the seperate companies inside it, name everyone that was in there, the people that knew them, hell you could even say the US and it's allies were all offended.
But freedom was not attacked ¬_¬
There's other people and countries than yours.
Fooman wrote: "The resolution approved today presents the Iraqi regime with a test - a final test."
What test did they fail? o_O
*Bush joins #Iraq
<Bush> dudes, where are your weapons of mass destruction?
<Hassan> lol
<Ifrim> lol
<Mehmet> we have none
<Saddam> it's true
lol soz<Hassan> roflol
<Bush> OMFG LIEZ
*Bush proclaims war to Iraq
Fooman wrote: "The terrorists are fighting freedom with all their cunning and cruelty because freedom is their greatest fear - and they should be afraid, because freedom is on the march."
Well that makes sense..let's sum it up.
- The people in Iraq are evil tortured ghouls that despise freedom
- The americans come in with absolutely no reason
- The americans come to kill them
..in order to bring them freedom o_O
- Freedom they apparently don't want.
Something seems wrong.
Fooman wrote: "Some have argued we should wait, and that's an option. In my view, it's the riskiest of all options, because the longer we wait, the stronger and bolder Saddam Hussein will become"
*Camera switches to Saddam
Saddam sits in his chair enjoying the sun, whistling a jolly tune.
WAR!!!!!111111
Look, I know Saddam wasn't a good boy all the time and his regime isn't quite humane and I know many people in the 'civilised world' wouldn't agree.
But Bush felt the need to take it upon him to invade Iraq randomly with a fake reason, and we all know he wouldn't have been allowed to if we found out earlier they didn't have them (wait..didn't we know that all along?)
Fooman wrote: #3 Freedom is the best path to a lasting peace.
Yes, and killing thousands of people for no reason isn't.
I already knew, Bush apparently didn't
If you could just assume everyone agreed with you, we wouldn't have this discussion.Fooman wrote: You all know that the world is better with this asshole behind bars.
Originally posted by Messy
What he did do is proclaim war to Afghanistan, start the war on terrorism and as soon as that was accepted, totally neglected Afghanistan and began randomly accusing and attacking Iraq.
What a lot of people fail to realize is that the war on terrorism does not solely exist in the mountains of Afghanistan. Wherever the terrorists are is where the war is. This is not a conventional war with uniformed enemies and will not be won quickly. It will be won by taking care of the fanatics and spreading freedom so that more fanatics do not materialize.
Saddam failed to prove to the world that his weapons were destroyed. Ask Blix.What test did they fail? o_O
What's wrong is that you do not understand that there are insurgents fighting in Iraq and peaceful Iraqis. The insurgents seem to be ruining your perception of Iraqis as a whole.Well that makes sense..let's sum it up.
- The people in Iraq are evil tortured ghouls that despise freedom
- The americans come in with absolutely no reason
- The americans come to kill them
..in order to bring them freedom o_O
- Freedom they apparently don't want.
Something seems wrong.
Wasn't a good boy? Try evil. Why someone would defend any of his actions to any extent is beyond me.Look, I know Saddam wasn't a good boy all the time and his regime isn't quite humane and I know many people in the 'civilised world' wouldn't agree.
Yes, and killing thousands of people for no reason isn't.
I'm glad to hear you are finally with me. Saddam had no reason to kill those Iraqis and neither did Bin Laden have reason to kill 3,000+ Americans.
Cenotaph wrote: Your still avoiding the question though.
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Euro specialists = idiots
Lougie wrote: Euro specialists = idiots
Is that because our school systems are generally superiour? o_O
Weird.
Besides, not only did he not state those specialists were euros, there's also continents besides europe, and even then, US specialists can be non-brainless patriots tbh.
gg making this into another NA-EU war again.
Messy wrote:
No, you could say the US were attacked, New York was attacked, Manhattan, the Twin Towers, or you could even name all the seperate companies inside it, name everyone that was in there, the people that knew them, hell you could even say the US and it's allies were all offended.
But freedom was not attacked ¬_¬
When someone goes to work on a Tuesday morning after dropping off their kids at a daycare only to be killed in a planned attack on your work office. Your freedom is attacked.
If you are taking a family vacation to see your grandparents on your son's 6th birthday, and your plane gets hijacked and slammed into a building. Your freedom is attacked.
When people are no longer safe at work at are only safe at home without the freedom to go to work, or can't get on a plane and take a vacation how can you say it hasn't been attacked.
That just shows YOUR ignorance.
So excuse us if we are trying to better ourselves by taking Sadam out of Iraq to stop as much terrorism as possible. Bush knows terrorism will never die, but if we were to sit back and not do anything, what will make them stop. Taking out a powerful leader and a sponser of terrorism is well worth it. Maybe you won't see it now, but it will be for the better. It may take a plane or two to fly into one of Europe's building lto make you all see it though.
Dirt wrote: When someone goes to work on a Tuesday morning after dropping off their kids at a daycare only to be killed in a planned attack on your work office. Your freedom is attacked.
If you are taking a family vacation to see your grandparents on your son's 6th birthday, and your plane gets hijacked and slammed into a building. Your freedom is attacked.
When people are no longer safe at work at are only safe at home without the freedom to go to work, or can't get on a plane and take a vacation how can you say it hasn't been attacked.
That just shows YOUR ignorance.
So excuse us if we are trying to better ourselves by taking Sadam out of Iraq to stop as much terrorism as possible. Bush knows terrorism will never die, but if we were to sit back and not do anything, what will make them stop. Taking out a powerful leader and a sponser of terrorism is well worth it. Maybe you won't see it now, but it will be for the better. It may take a plane or two to fly into one of Europe's building lto make you all see it though.
owend :p
