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R3L!K · Post by **R3L!K** » 25-08-2004 22:30

to remove the "+6" or reverse it.

not sure what that refers to. (excuse my ignorance

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Post by **The_One** » 25-08-2004 22:41

Look Rel, try and score a self volley with me in goal and I can guarantee you will not score more than 1 in 10. This is not because I'm good in goal (duh I suck ^^, any decent keep would save more than 9 in 10 hehe), it is just when you KNOW a player will set themselves up with a shot against the back wall it is so stupidly easy for any keeper with half a brain to stop unless that volley is at very close range.

Besides, if they get that close it's likely a goal whatever they do (with me in net at least lol).

This move is not over powered and is NOT being used in reg games much at all (well at least in the pub games I play and the PUs I spec, maybe not the best test but hey).

If DavidM really wants to end egoing players, DB should just replace any player who attempts a self volley, when there is a guy wide open, with a bot. :p

I'm sure this discussion is pointless though, DavidM is God and when he makes a change we just have to lump it. Besides it's not really that big a deal anyway and probably won't affect any games much.

R3L!K · Post by **R3L!K** » 25-08-2004 22:47

I've got total respect for you The_One.... probably cos I know how good you are.

So you're probably right. Gonna leave it there

Post by **The_One** » 25-08-2004 23:09

bah, that's the easy way out. It's got nothing to do with how good anyone is. It's just not that effective a move.

You know I want DB to head in the same direction as you do, I just don't think this is the right way (I'm not that concerned about it though, I won't kill myself if this change stays :p).

R3L!K · Post by **R3L!K** » 25-08-2004 23:12

note i said probably

edit: I have to admit i do see your side of the argument. The new changes don't solve the problem completely (if at all), so whats the point in it, right?

Unfortunately there's no easy answer, save removing self vollies completely. Which would be an awful move.

Post by **The_One** » 25-08-2004 23:13

Probably the sun will come up tomorrow. :p

$\o/$

p.s. Damn these forums have been busy lately. If that's what a controversial change will do I suggest removing volleying and boosting. (only half joking on the boosting bit

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R3L!K · Post by **R3L!K** » 25-08-2004 23:23

can you imagine the reaction that would get?

Only problem with removing self vollies, would be the cool tricks that would be lost. Though I guess your 6sec timed disabled idea may come to the rescue....

Post by **The_One** » 25-08-2004 23:26

I can imagine yes, it brings a smile to my face.

I think the 6 second rule would alleviate SOME problems, anyway.

Imaginos · Post by **Imaginos** » 26-08-2004 01:59

Imagine what the impact of a delayed respawn would be too. Being a careless rambo attacker and getting killed = your team doing without you for up to # seconds.. heheh

Post by **The_One** » 26-08-2004 02:16

Well removing boosting would mean he'd have quite a long walk anyway.

I'm sure your idea has been discussed before, can't remember when though.

Twigstir · Post by **Twigstir** » 26-08-2004 11:39

"- Reduced self volley power to 1200 (1400 before) (this is only active with 6+ players)"

The +6 i was refering to.

The 6 sec rule or removing self volley all together won't solve anything either. Ball hog, egoing players, can still shoot the ball. You'll just have ball hog egoing shooters instead of wall volliers. You would have to only allow volley shots off passes to rid the game of those players.

Post by **The_One** » 26-08-2004 15:03

It will solve somthing, just not everything.

Fooman · Post by **Fooman** » 26-08-2004 16:43

It only pisses off attackers, cause they can't self volley anymore.

There are situations in which a self volley helps the team. And twig has already proven the "ego" argument to be bunk.

-In a 1 on 1 situation in which the forward's teammates are being blocked from getting upfield. If the forward only has one hit left, he would be well advised to do a self volley. If the self volley works you get a point for your team. But, alas, the volley is weak in 2.1 and needs Viagra.

-A player shoots a regular shot barely wide/high. The keeper dodges out and misses and the goal is left open. The ball comes back to the shooter after it hits the wall. The shooter then volleys it at the goal, thus doing a self volley. And the ball goes just slow enough for the keeper to get back in goal and save it. DavidM saves another goal. GG DavidM.

priior · Post by **priior** » 26-08-2004 17:11

There are situations in which a self volley helps the team. And twig has already proven the "ego" argument to be bunk.

tbh, twig hasnt proven anything. he's just stated his opinion on it. An opinion with questionable logic and 0 facts.

if you want _real_ proof, we'll have to wait a few weeks.. play a lot of games, then see if the quality of the teamwork has increased or not, if the number of egoing has dropped or not.

again.. this is a moot point for most organized games (mixer, league, ladder,etc..).. cuz nobody self volleys except to show off.

Esorcismo · Post by **Esorcismo** » 26-08-2004 17:17

Fooman, Twig... why worry about it? We already got measures in place to alleviate this issue... let them have their arguments... cause this thread is just an evergrowing waste of time and energy.