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Post by **DavidM** » 19-05-2004 10:04

well sorry, this point is bullshit.
its a problem of the ignorant attacker

RaGe|DB · Post by **RaGe|DB** » 19-05-2004 10:07

DavidM wrote: well sorry, this point is bullshit.
its a problem of the ignorant attacker

I don't care whose problem it is! It's fucking the problem of the defenders and keepers. we can keep moaning about legitimate reasons and why they are not coming back but that wouldn't help shit! face it: in the last couple of versions defending has been made (dunno on purpose or not) alot LESS attractive. I'll stop now till I actually get some proper arguments (somewhere tonight)

Post by **DavidM** » 19-05-2004 10:09

defending is a lot more attractive in 2.0 (since blocking works with skill, not with luck, like before), and one defender and a keeper shall not have a serious chance against 2 attackers who do the right thing.
now pssssh!

Fragger · Post by **Fragger** » 19-05-2004 10:21

Fooman wrote: 1. Quit allowing the ball to go through defenders. If a defender is in the face of a shooter, the ball should get deflected away from the goal or stolen, like in 1.3b. As it is now, the ball appears a few feet in front of the shooter, if there is a defender in his face the ball goes through him.

Did u play 2.0beta? u should see deflects -_-

3. New ball

Post by **DavidM** » 19-05-2004 10:24

dunno whats your last version fooman
but in 2.0 defenders can easily block ball, and nothing goes thru you (except it looks like it for you because of the ping; when the ball goes thru yourself)

f1end · Post by **f1end** » 19-05-2004 11:23

I couldn't be bothered to read past catas excellent idea, as I assume it just gets into a " defense sux...boost back then...omg n00b...gg davidm...etc

New idea 'afaik'... Have an adjustable volley radius!!!!

OMG, I hear u say, wtf??? hear me out...

Basically, have it so u can set your volley radius to whatever (within defined parameters), but your volley speed gets adjusted also...

eg.

u play defense...so you want a large volley radius...but this means u get a really SLOW volley speed...

u play attack...so u have a choice...do u have a large volley radius, so u can hit more balls, but slowly, or do u have a small volley radius and extra volley speed?

So as the radius goes up, speed goes down...

any thoughts...?

Wibble · Post by **Wibble** » 19-05-2004 11:28

A sensibile suggestion, and quite an original one too

Onge · Post by **Onge** » 19-05-2004 11:37

I hear you RaGe!

The thing is, with a super disciplined midfield you can have a nice defensive unit. Sadly defending isn't high on many people's priorities. I agree with a lot of what you say RaGe but I know there have been some amendments to 2.0 and until I have played that properly I'll reserve judgement...

I've said for a while I'd like keeping to be tweaked (bigger catch radius, bigger volley radius, lower volley latency, any one of them really) but I've been told off for whinging! But again, let's see what 2.0 brings and then we'll see if things change for the better or not...

As for f1end's idea, sorry but I don't like it. What I've always liked about DB (with the exception of sprint) is that every player has the same ability - no-one is faster, stronger, harder to kill. I've always hated how in Deathmatch when you spawn you have a peashooter as a weapon and the first thing I do is search for a gun. It leaves you vunerable and at a disadvantage. You don't get this with DB. However, I'd be willing to give f1end's idea a go before completely dismissing it...

Catalyst88 · Post by **Catalyst88** » 19-05-2004 12:07

Inphidel wrote: 3. ability to designate keeper for league matches by making some kinda 'class' for keeper when say a match mode is enabled or by say simply setting some option in your player options that says your a keeper so the game will more likely select you to be keep if its on and no one else has it set.

Using the log-in menu for 2k4, you could choose your position on the pitch quite easily - for example keeper and ball-spawn (when the game resets), because quite often you'd like the same person in each place. If not, just choose a random one. Taking the idea farther - perhaps there should be a "public mode" for servers that goes back to the old random spawn keeper mode. Just a suggestion.

f1end: good idea, and original, but I think it would bring too much randomness into games, because you never know what other people have selected, and it would sort of ruin the ability for people to anticipate. Although it might be interesting to see it in-game, i don't think it would work that well.

As to the defense not being good enough - we played against 18+ the game after, and only scored 1 goal in the first 10 minutes. They scored 5 in the final ten, but it was still a satisfactory game - the reason the pX game was so high scoring was because it was on november - smaller penalty boxes. Perhaps the pboxes in the larger november should be expanded?

Also, I know this is being done already (kinda), but I'd like to see some more maps that are the same size of cube but different styles of stadium/location. I'm kinda bored of looking at cube all the time - perhaps it would encourage people to play a larger variety of maps

Onge · Post by **Onge** » 19-05-2004 12:54

Catalyst88 wrote: As to the defense not being good enough - we played against 18+ the game after, and only scored 1 goal in the first 10 minutes. They scored 5 in the final ten, but it was still a satisfactory game - the reason the pX game was so high scoring was because it was on november - smaller penalty boxes. Perhaps the pboxes in the larger november should be expanded?

True. I like November, but the increased power up means you can pull off shots from way outside the pbox that are hard to save. Not sure if bigger pboxes are needed, it's just something to get use to, and that will come with practice... (would be nice if we ever played any other map than Cube

)

Catalyst88 wrote: Also, I know this is being done already (kinda), but I'd like to see some more maps that are the same size of cube but different styles of stadium/location. I'm kinda bored of looking at cube all the time - perhaps it would encourage people to play a larger variety of maps

I second that...But make them slightly different dimentions. And they don't have to be stadia...:p

Post by **DavidM** » 19-05-2004 13:15

to fiends idea, that aint good
i dont want people to decide (to have A better and B worse...)
and the radius is just that big because of the ping issue. if it would be realistic you coul never hit a volley with the ping

and as cata said, you dunno what others have...but you need to know it
orignal idea also was to make yourself faster, and decrease shoot power at the same time etc, but you needed to know the values of all players to be good against them....forget it

Post by **DavidM** » 19-05-2004 13:17

as for more cube-style maps, thats what im aiming for, and yes, i make them slightly different in scale.
bowl was the first step.

SpearHead · Post by **SpearHead** » 19-05-2004 13:38

maybe a penalty shootout mode?

R3L!K · Post by **R3L!K** » 19-05-2004 13:50

With regards to how to do penalties:

1 attacker vs 1 keeper

ball spawns in middle, near the attacker.
the attacker has 12-15 seconds to score (edit: needs to be a map setting i guess)... ie just enough time to get one shot in... if the keeper saves or vollies it out or the ball hits the back wall...end of penalty...keeper wins....

in regards to f1end and cata's ideas. Maybe they can be combined with the new models you are designing in the future.

Rather than having an adjustable scale for volley radius to power, have 3 presets...

attacker with high speed low radius...
mid with average both
defender with low speed high radius...

since they will have different models (i hope)... people will know who can do what...

[1234]Jr · Post by **[1234]Jr** » 19-05-2004 13:55

Penalties: Drops on edge of the box, has a time limit to score, once it's dropped he's frozen. Cant move with the ball. has to shoot ;o